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	<title>Comments on: Phoenix Startups, Which City Wants To Be Mob Friendly?</title>
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		<title>By: Jenn Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://derekneighbors.com/2009/05/phoenix-startups-which-city-wants-to-be-mob-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. That&#039;s an impressive list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. That&#8217;s an impressive list.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://derekneighbors.com/2009/05/phoenix-startups-which-city-wants-to-be-mob-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 07:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. Contrast the attitude of South Tyneside Council. Yes, they do a certain amount of enticing in big companies (including my own employers, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.silicon.com/publicsector/0,3800010403,39286261,00.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;British Telecom&lt;/a&gt;). But they also look to &quot;grow their own,&quot; setting up the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tedco.org/index/view/3441/menu/291/QuadrusHistory.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quadrus Centre&lt;/a&gt; as an incubator building for small, local tech start-ups. The building itself is, IMHO, as ugly as sin (which, of course, means it&#039;s won an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.southtyneside.info/press2/release.aspx?pk=4074&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;architectural award&lt;/a&gt;), but the concept can&#039;t be faulted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Contrast the attitude of South Tyneside Council. Yes, they do a certain amount of enticing in big companies (including my own employers, <a href="http://www.silicon.com/publicsector/0,3800010403,39286261,00.htm" rel="nofollow">British Telecom</a>). But they also look to &#8220;grow their own,&#8221; setting up the <a href="http://www.tedco.org/index/view/3441/menu/291/QuadrusHistory.htm" rel="nofollow">Quadrus Centre</a> as an incubator building for small, local tech start-ups. The building itself is, IMHO, as ugly as sin (which, of course, means it&#8217;s won an <a href="http://www.southtyneside.info/press2/release.aspx?pk=4074" rel="nofollow">architectural award</a>), but the concept can&#8217;t be faulted.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Neighbors</title>
		<link>http://derekneighbors.com/2009/05/phoenix-startups-which-city-wants-to-be-mob-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Neighbors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

Yes there is a disconnect in the analogy.  The point I was trying to drive home to local municipalities is that luring in an established company isn&#039;t the way to build an economy.  Helping start new companies is way to really establish your identity as a city.  

I think what worked for Silicon Valley in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s probably wont work in Phoenix, but I think investing in your current residents is always a recipe for win.  Look at something as simple as &quot;Fast Trac&quot; put on by stealthmode, where a minimal investment (under $1000) might produce a company that employees 25 people and launches 3 more companies.  

Don&#039;t get me wrong infrastructure is not bad, it is necessary.  I just think especially here in Phoenix we have such an inferiority complex that we think we have to do what all the other cities are doing, instead of finding our own identity and making our own culture and economies.

I plan another post on ARPA, PARC and such that will help explain somethings as well.  The government actually did fund at one time most of the masterminds that created the first wave at Silicon Valley.  They worked as researchers building their theories and then left to start companies based on this research.   What the government did correct was allow them to leave to start these companies.  This first wave of companies funded the next wave and thus began the economy of technology in the area.

See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=eK52augjU98C&amp;pg=PA289&amp;lpg=PA289&amp;dq=silicon+valley+role+in+government&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=1CCY0jpHCV&amp;sig=Kv2ZoGmSzSePnzxMX189tiiXBEg&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=JpENSoKTEaWxtgeyq4X1Bw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Silicon Valley Edge&lt;/a&gt;

See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebreakthrough.org/blog/2009/04/silicon_valley_garage_or_gover.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Garage or Government Lab&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Yes there is a disconnect in the analogy.  The point I was trying to drive home to local municipalities is that luring in an established company isn&#8217;t the way to build an economy.  Helping start new companies is way to really establish your identity as a city.  </p>
<p>I think what worked for Silicon Valley in the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s probably wont work in Phoenix, but I think investing in your current residents is always a recipe for win.  Look at something as simple as &#8220;Fast Trac&#8221; put on by stealthmode, where a minimal investment (under $1000) might produce a company that employees 25 people and launches 3 more companies.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong infrastructure is not bad, it is necessary.  I just think especially here in Phoenix we have such an inferiority complex that we think we have to do what all the other cities are doing, instead of finding our own identity and making our own culture and economies.</p>
<p>I plan another post on ARPA, PARC and such that will help explain somethings as well.  The government actually did fund at one time most of the masterminds that created the first wave at Silicon Valley.  They worked as researchers building their theories and then left to start companies based on this research.   What the government did correct was allow them to leave to start these companies.  This first wave of companies funded the next wave and thus began the economy of technology in the area.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=eK52augjU98C&#038;pg=PA289&#038;lpg=PA289&#038;dq=silicon+valley+role+in+government&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=1CCY0jpHCV&#038;sig=Kv2ZoGmSzSePnzxMX189tiiXBEg&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=JpENSoKTEaWxtgeyq4X1Bw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=3" rel="nofollow">The Silicon Valley Edge</a></p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.thebreakthrough.org/blog/2009/04/silicon_valley_garage_or_gover.shtml" rel="nofollow">Garage or Government Lab</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Jeffers</title>
		<link>http://derekneighbors.com/2009/05/phoenix-startups-which-city-wants-to-be-mob-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Jeffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 08:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1

But I have trouble with the analogy. Are you addressing other local businesses in Phoenix or the state government? Your analogy to Pay Pal and Silicon Valley don&#039;t precisely piece together in my mind yet. Did the California government invest in companies like Pay Pal? What was the governments role in creating a tech mecha in the bay area other from tech workers generally earning a high income and the bay area being a desirable area to live in for those who could afford to?</description>
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<p>But I have trouble with the analogy. Are you addressing other local businesses in Phoenix or the state government? Your analogy to Pay Pal and Silicon Valley don&#8217;t precisely piece together in my mind yet. Did the California government invest in companies like Pay Pal? What was the governments role in creating a tech mecha in the bay area other from tech workers generally earning a high income and the bay area being a desirable area to live in for those who could afford to?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Dayley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Dayley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 04:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  Can&#039;t begin to say how right you are!

In some of my other projects, I am beginning to encounter the old thinking in government (and business) that just does not fit anymore.  It&#039;s not a change, it&#039;s a sea change.  It&#039;s big and good and will leave towns, cities and companies that don&#039;t adjust wondering why they are still in the doldrums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  Can&#8217;t begin to say how right you are!</p>
<p>In some of my other projects, I am beginning to encounter the old thinking in government (and business) that just does not fit anymore.  It&#8217;s not a change, it&#8217;s a sea change.  It&#8217;s big and good and will leave towns, cities and companies that don&#8217;t adjust wondering why they are still in the doldrums.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Martinez</title>
		<link>http://derekneighbors.com/2009/05/phoenix-startups-which-city-wants-to-be-mob-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 04:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree. There are so many talented technology &quot;gangsters&quot; here in Phoenix doing their part to make the web a prettier place. After returning from an agency in California, I can honestly say, as much as I loved the people there, most of you guys blow them away. There is so much talent here it is frustrating that it often gets overlooked. Not just in the Interactive and Marketing spaces but, the Software side too.

Thanks for the post Derek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree. There are so many talented technology &#8220;gangsters&#8221; here in Phoenix doing their part to make the web a prettier place. After returning from an agency in California, I can honestly say, as much as I loved the people there, most of you guys blow them away. There is so much talent here it is frustrating that it often gets overlooked. Not just in the Interactive and Marketing spaces but, the Software side too.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post Derek.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Conrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Conrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 04:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.   I&#039;m impressed with how this came out after such a brief spur of the moment comment this afternoon.    Well played sir.  This needs more press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.   I&#8217;m impressed with how this came out after such a brief spur of the moment comment this afternoon.    Well played sir.  This needs more press.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, never really thought of it like this. especially the point Anthony A. makes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, never really thought of it like this. especially the point Anthony A. makes.</p>
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		<title>By: WesleyTech</title>
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		<dc:creator>WesleyTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same thing goes for the overall US economy. If the Federal Government would have invested in thousands of startups instead of bailing out mega-corporation banks, our economy just might be growing instead of continuing to shrink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing goes for the overall US economy. If the Federal Government would have invested in thousands of startups instead of bailing out mega-corporation banks, our economy just might be growing instead of continuing to shrink.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://derekneighbors.com/2009/05/phoenix-startups-which-city-wants-to-be-mob-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well played sir  *standing ovation*

Phoenix is just way slow to move and so old school in their thinking... (exp: (aside from this post) look at the highways and how they add another 2 lanes every 2 years, and then build a SUPER expensive tiny train that does no good to 95% of the community)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well played sir  *standing ovation*</p>
<p>Phoenix is just way slow to move and so old school in their thinking&#8230; (exp: (aside from this post) look at the highways and how they add another 2 lanes every 2 years, and then build a SUPER expensive tiny train that does no good to 95% of the community)</p>
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