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	<title>Comments on: Kissing Ass Doesn&#8217;t Win You Influence.  Challenging Thoughts and Ideas Does.</title>
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		<title>By: Margo</title>
		<link>http://derekneighbors.com/2009/09/kissing-ass-doesnt-win-you-influence-challenging-thoughts-and-ideas-does/comment-page-1/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW.............this whole site is very impressive.  What an smart dude son-in-law you are !  We old fashioned 80 yr. olds are amazed.  Thanks for showing a part of you we never knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.this whole site is very impressive.  What an smart dude son-in-law you are !  We old fashioned 80 yr. olds are amazed.  Thanks for showing a part of you we never knew.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of good points in this post.  I just want to draw attention the importance of the CIVILITY in the &quot;civil challenges&quot; everybody&#039;s talking about.  I think that too often people over-correct from being ass kissers into being douchebags, and that&#039;s JUST as unproductive.  Lots of people talk about being &quot;straight shooters&quot; and being &quot;brutally honest&quot; but really they&#039;re just too socially inept to have any tact.  Communicating a conflicting idea in a NON-OFFENSIVE and NON-INSULTING way is not only important, but very difficult at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good points in this post.  I just want to draw attention the importance of the CIVILITY in the &#8220;civil challenges&#8221; everybody&#8217;s talking about.  I think that too often people over-correct from being ass kissers into being douchebags, and that&#8217;s JUST as unproductive.  Lots of people talk about being &#8220;straight shooters&#8221; and being &#8220;brutally honest&#8221; but really they&#8217;re just too socially inept to have any tact.  Communicating a conflicting idea in a NON-OFFENSIVE and NON-INSULTING way is not only important, but very difficult at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Dayley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Dayley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.

Civil challenges are necessary.  Also, remember that a dead (i.e. fired) change agent can&#039;t help the company. Push the boundaries but not so far or so much that you are &quot;killed.&quot;  Win one step in your direction THEN push for the next step.

Find the book &quot;Fearless Change: Patterns for Introducing New Ideas&quot; by Mary Manns and Linda Rising.  Worth it&#039;s weight in iPods if you ware working to change something in an organization somewhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.</p>
<p>Civil challenges are necessary.  Also, remember that a dead (i.e. fired) change agent can&#8217;t help the company. Push the boundaries but not so far or so much that you are &#8220;killed.&#8221;  Win one step in your direction THEN push for the next step.</p>
<p>Find the book &#8220;Fearless Change: Patterns for Introducing New Ideas&#8221; by Mary Manns and Linda Rising.  Worth it&#8217;s weight in iPods if you ware working to change something in an organization somewhere!</p>
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		<title>By: William Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TLDR version of this is: Yes, kissing ass does get you ahead. Challenge people civilly when you actually have something worth saying. 

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Interesting post. Unfortunately, sucking up can and does get you ahead. Social media is rife with examples of this and if you have been watching the evolution of some of the major players in social you will see the formula at work.

Kissing ass DOES buy you influence. It buys you shout outs, followers, and all sorts of other mentions online (blogs, articles, etc).

Is it good to do? Well, it depends on the person I guess. Personally, i&#039;d rather take the long way around. I don&#039;t really begrudge people who go this route. It is the easiest/most effective way to get your name out there. Work smarter, not harder, right?

Then there is the point about challenging people and their ideas. If you can do it _civilly_ thats one thing. If you come across as a total asshole/douche bag, thats another. Here too there are more than a few examples of people who think that by heckling a speaker at a conference they are scoring points. It just doesn&#039;t work that way. The people who do that are small and by and large DON&#039;T have any ideas. Listen to what they say and you will see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TLDR version of this is: Yes, kissing ass does get you ahead. Challenge people civilly when you actually have something worth saying. </p>
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<p>Interesting post. Unfortunately, sucking up can and does get you ahead. Social media is rife with examples of this and if you have been watching the evolution of some of the major players in social you will see the formula at work.</p>
<p>Kissing ass DOES buy you influence. It buys you shout outs, followers, and all sorts of other mentions online (blogs, articles, etc).</p>
<p>Is it good to do? Well, it depends on the person I guess. Personally, i&#8217;d rather take the long way around. I don&#8217;t really begrudge people who go this route. It is the easiest/most effective way to get your name out there. Work smarter, not harder, right?</p>
<p>Then there is the point about challenging people and their ideas. If you can do it _civilly_ thats one thing. If you come across as a total asshole/douche bag, thats another. Here too there are more than a few examples of people who think that by heckling a speaker at a conference they are scoring points. It just doesn&#8217;t work that way. The people who do that are small and by and large DON&#8217;T have any ideas. Listen to what they say and you will see.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Faustino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Faustino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this post.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Jeffers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Jeffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 Good post Derek.</description>
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		<title>By: Derek Neighbors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Neighbors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The painting from @gapingvoid rings pretty true in my book.</description>
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		<title>By: francine hardaway</title>
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		<dc:creator>francine hardaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can either be a sheep or a wolf:-)</description>
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